BONANZA (COB) proposed power
plant
Peoples Energies Resources (COB)
plan to build a multimillion$ power plant in
Langell Valley, Oregon, in the Klamath Basin.
It will use an untested aquifer, but the
government is giving the Chicago-based
company rights above and priority to the
generations of farmers that applied for permits
up to 11 years ago. Read how our community
feels about this infliction that disregards
public input, and economic well-being:
Peoples Energy announced
they are terminating the COB energy site in
Bonanza,
2/2/07.
This is antelope feeding on the Bonanza
farmland where the COB power plant proposes to locate. Over 30
farmers
have not been allowed permanent permits to pump
their wells, yet
this multimillion $ company
will have water priority. Please help save our rural
community.
PLEASE SIGN PETITION
Here is the link to view
the 184 page amendment to the COB application:
http://www.energy.state.or.us/siting/document/cobamt.pdf
TESTIMONY and
BRIEFS
* 8/14/04 "Final
briefs for the contested case argument against COB in the Langell Valley
location, by Save Our Rural Oregon. All of the Klamath County
Commissioners and the Klamath Falls City Council members who will be
voting on the extension of the enterprise zone have been given copies of
these documents (delivered to their offices August 13th) as soon as they
were filed with the State of Oregon today. Oregon State Representative
Bill Garrard has publicly stated that he would now vote against this ,
given all of the circumstances he was not aware of at the time (ie: EFU
land, etc)."
*
Information Bill Brock presented to May 14, 2004 meeting at
Bill Garrard's "House Interim Committee on Land Use".
First is his speech, followed by information: Power
Distribution Problems in the Northwest, and A PROPOSAL FOR
CONSIDERATION BY THE OREGON STATE LEGISLATURE
* Lyn
Brock's speech May 14, 2004 to House Interim Committee on Land
Use Review, followed by Brock's meeting notes.
*
Comments to the
Oregon Department of Energy and the Oregon Facility Siting Council on
the COB Energy Facility Draft Proposed Order, posted to KBC 2/17/04
from Roger Hamilton, past Klamath County Commissioner.
*
Testimony to be heard on Cob
facility, Friday, at 8am, H&N 2/12/04 Go
HERE for more on proposed COB energy plant.
*
Klamath County
Commissioner Steve West's testimony to the Dept of Energy
regarding the COB plant in Bonanza, posted to KBC 1/29/04.
*
Comments to
the Department of Energy siting council by geologist Gail
Hildreth Whitsett . They are opinions formulated from data in the COB draft
proposal, January 22, 2004
*
Comments to the Dept of Energy siting council by Lyn Brock,
Bonanza, Oregon 1/22/04.
*
Dr. Doug
Whitsett's testimony to the Department of Energy regarding the
proposed COB power plant in Bonanza, 1/31/04
If you have questions or concerns,
please call Lyn Brock at (541) 545-1205 |
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ARTICLES
Peoples Energy announced they are terminating the
COB energy site in Bonanza,
2/2/07.
COB comment deadline
12/15
Here for COB page.
Demand driving
purchase of Cob plant, H&N 11/10/06.
COB info by Lyn Brock 11/11/06.
Comments due Dec 15!
COB proposed energy plant
in Bonanza, meeting 11/8/06
COB comments by Oct 17
There is a COB meeting at
the Ross Ragland Theater, 218 N. 7th Street in Klamath
Falls, about the Japanese buying the COB permits on November
8th, at 7 p.m.
Hearing set on COB plant
permit, Herald and News,
posted to KBC 10/10/06. (KBC Note: we missed the meeting but you can
still send comments)
COB proposed energy plant
in Bonanza, meeting 11/8/06
about the Japanese buying the COB permits
Cob plant may be sold
before it’s built,
Japan-based company wants to
buy the plant Natural gas facility.
H&N 10/12/06
(COB power plant)
Threat to water supply, H&N, posted
to KBC 1/17/06
 William
Kennedy owns and operates Lost River Ranch,
which has had a 40,000-acre
private
wildlife
refuge
since 1975 as part of Operation Stronghold. He is
also past president of the Oregon Cattlemen's Association. |
New power plant not
such a good deal by
Bill Kennedy, guest columnist, H&N,
posted to KBC 1/5/06
"...While
extreme green groups have blasted our community over perceived
threats to our wildlife, there has been absolutely no
consideration of the impact of an 1160-megawatt gas-fired
generator on several thousand acres of designated wildlife
refuge. The small footprint for the proposed power plant is very
close to private lands that are designated by their landowners
as refuge for migrating wildlife." |
County finalizes
Cob plant tax deal, posted to KBC 12/15/05 H&N
COB tax-exemption issues vote, meeting for
input 12/13/05
These documents will be presented to the Klamath County Commissioners on
Tuesday morning December 13th at the Commissioners office on Main Street
at 10 am. for them to vote on.
COB advertised jobs and earnings
grossly exaggerated
Expansion of enterprise zone for COB
Agreement with county
regarding COB funds has changed
Agreement for Long-term Rural Oregon
Enterprise Zone Exemption
(this agreement has not previously been made available for public
viewing before the vote on Tuesday the 13th.
Cob tax deal
hearing scheduled, H&N 11/30/05
Update on "Stop the COB"
Activities 11/21/05 by Lyn Brock
Court's power plant decision
fails on real issues, COB letter by Bill Brock posted to KBC
10/16/05
Court
upholds ruling on Cob, posted to KBC 9/30/05
COB energy plant
update and invitation 7/22/05
County goes with Cob's offer, H&N
4/20/05
State high
court to hear farm rights suit COB proposed power plant in
Bonanza 4/19/05.
Bill would give
public more say on power plants, bendbulletin 4/3/05. "He
(Rep Bill Garrard) said that concern was solidified when the state
didn't respond to his letter about a controversial plant proposed near
Bonanza in Klamath County."
Energy Facility Siting hearing in Salem
4/1/05
In bed with Chicago firm,
H&N letter by David Misso 3/29/05
$149 million
in refunds demanded from Peoples Energy, Breeze - Courier posted to
KBC 3/28/05 "The Chicago Sun-Times
reported last month that the lunch occurred just days after a utility
watchdog group filed paperwork with the ICC demanding $149 million in
refunds from Peoples Energy for alleged overcharges to Chicago-area
cnsumers."
Greed rules county, H&N 3/10/05.
"Along comes Cob power plant offering millions to the county."
Anti-Cob initiative tossed,
H&N posted to KBC 3/10/05
Water and Power
by Pat Ratliff, Klamath Courier March 9 2005 issue. "An important
point to remember, and one that Scottish Power, PacifiCorp’s parent
company does not recognize, is that PacifiCorp receives value from the
water in the lake stored by the Project. Having the ability to use the
water spread out over time, and to a degree when they want it, and not
just as it runs through the system, is of definite power making value."
COB should give
percentage of power to Klamath, Brock 3/8/05
City OKs enterprise zone for
Cob plant,
H&N 3/8/05.
Mar 7 COB City
Council meeting
Cob wins enterprise zone OK,
H&N 2/26/05 "Brown
said that in a survey he handed out at a meeting in Lorella, 96 percent
of people who returned surveys were opposed to the enterprise zone."
(In Owens Lake, the city of LA sucked the lake dry, destroying the
farm community and ecosystem; a dust bowl remains. The country was
appalled. In Klamath County, the town sees dollar bills, allows a
multi-million dollar power company to waltz in, buy water rights that
are senior to those of ranchers who still have not been given permits to
pump their own well, the city extended the zone to accommodate the
facility, and they don't have to pay the taxes like the farmers and
ranchers. And one more drain on our aquifer has bought their way into
our rural community. The testimony says it will pollute our air. This is
one more sad blow to our countryside, and it is being done by our own
town. KBC)
Your Constituents Do Not
Want a Power Plant in Their Backyard!!! by Lyn Brock,
Bonanza, Oregon 2/24/05
Answer to Cob tax offer
expected, H&N posted to KBC 2/24/05
STOP THE COB Public Hearing 2/24/05
COB plant supporters
wrong, H&N letter posted to KBC 2/11/05.
COB Energy Feb 1 Meeting...A
Review 2/2/05 by Lyn Brock. "I
would like to explain to Mr. Elliott that 'inappropriate' water usage
might be when this corporation came recently to our area and applied
for water rights ... that many farmers in Bonanza have prior water
rights, that we have been told that current data shows that due to
stream flow and water levels, we will probably NOT be allowed to
irrigate our crops from OUR wells after approximately July 4th of
every year."
Officials offer Cob tax ideas, H&N 2/2/05.
County
to open Cob debate to public Tuesday,
February 1. Please go and BE INFORMED! See
COB
page for testimonies and past articles.
90 attend COB meeting
in Lorella, by Lyn Brock
1/27/05. "One lady stated that if this is a
profitable venture then this corporation should be able to pay their
assessed taxes." "It seems
that residents of this rural agricultural area are tired of hearing
about mitigation and, instead, desire assurance that their elected
officials are protecting their way of life and their means of making a
livlihood."
Deadline set on Cob tax offer,
H&N 1/27/05
"The
proposed 1,150- to 1,160-megawatt natural gas-fired plant has been
especially controversial among Langell Valley residents, who say plant
developers are getting unfair access to water."
Local business owners speak in
favor of Cob, H&N 1/26/05
("This article does not
tell you that, at the previous Commissioners meeting, the opponents of
COB were not allowed to speak and were told that they could only talk at
the Public Hearing on February 1st. So they didn't attend the January
26 meeting- - Lyn Brock")
People have
impact, H&N 1/25/05 regarding the COB proposed power plant. More on
COB go HERE
Cob rep to meet with Langell Valley
residents,
H&N 1/24/05.
COB meeting Lorella 1/26/05 Q&A
County to consider tax
breaks for Cob, H&N 1/17/05.
Will COB Energy Facility be
granted a huge ($71,000,000) tax break? Lyn
Brock... Meeting tomorrow January 18.
COB public meeting
2/1/05
Cob backers make new tax offer,
H&N 1/19/05.
Klamath
Board of County Commissioners for January 18, 2005 included discussion and consideration of the COB power plant,
by Lyn Brock 1/18/05
Trio pushes for measure to limit
Cob funding, 11/12/04 H&N.
State Panel OK's COB,
H&N posted to KBC 11/8/04.
"We've been sure for a long time that this is the
decision the state wanted (the Siting Council) to make, regardless of
the evidence," she said."
Siting council
hears long arguments on Cob plant, H&N 11/04/04.
COB Energy Facility: Hearing and final
action on the application for site certificate November 3rd. Please
Come!
Cob site decision next week,
H&N 10/28/04.
County commissioners
shortchanged those who wanted to be involved on energy plant, Herald
and News 9/22/04. "
because of the lack of timely input from the county commissioners,
Klamath County residents were deprived of the support of their
representatives and were essentially hung out to dry."
Water's too short, H&N
posted to KBC 9/14/04. "It
is my opinion that the agencies and others pushing the power plant could
be sent to the Department of Justice because they made such a mess of
the contested hearing. Cathy Van Horn is pushing from the Oregon
Department of Energy, which, in my opinion, has bent over backward to
accommodate the power plant...."
Bonneville Power
Administration says Cob can plug in,
H&N 9/10/04.
Developers of Cob power plant
underhanded about intentions, H&N 9/7/04.
Council takes a tour of Cob site,
H&N 8/30/04.
Cob plant backers stumble badly,
H&N editor's views, 8/26/04
Reject tax
relief for Cob, H&N posted to KBC 8/26/04.
County silence on Cob criticized,
H&N 8/25/04. "Commissioner
Steve West, who has been involved in the contested case process as a
private citizen, said he is appalled that commissioners missed their
formal chance to help set the rules."
Cob facility appoints new
spokesman, H&N 8/25/04.
Full-page ad on Cob
power plant a fabrication, H&N posted to KBC 8/24/04. "The
power plant's developers would like us to believe that a $600-million
facility that generates $71.3 million in property tax revenue for the
state, should pay only $15 million in lieu of property tax. We are
supposed to believe that we should give up $3.75 million dollars a year
because the Cob power plant will be "a good corporate neighbor."
Get mad, stop COB plant H&N
8/20/04. "This
huge energy corporation wants to build the Cob power plant in the
heartland of Langell Valley. It's bending every rule in the book to
accomplish that. Adding insult to injury, Peoples Energy also wants to
pay no property taxes for the first 15 years."
Ex-commissioner files revised ballot measures, posted to KBC 8/18/04
KF Council uneasy about Cob
proposal, posted to KBC 8/18/04.
"In order to get this done,
we're talking about leapfrogging an enterprise zone out to Bonanza,"
power plant opponent Stan Heidrich said. "It's appalling, and I can't
believe all the rules are being bent."
Get the taxes due,
H&N posted to KBC 8/16/04
"Do you really want a huge corporation
from Chicago, the COB power plant, to come into rural Klamath
County, against our community's wishes, and receive a $71,000,000.00
(seventy one million dollar) tax break?" Meeting Monday--HERE
for information.
Three judges bow out
of Cob decision, H&N posted to KBC 8/16/04
Water for
Life's final document in the matter of the application for a site
certificate for the COB energy facility (also given to all five
Klamath Falls City Council members, Jeff Ball and all Klamath
County Commissioners on August 13, 2004. Posted to KBC 8/15/04.
Two
commissioners wrong, H&N posted to KBC 8/15/04. "To even consider
trading $71.3 million for $15 borders on insanity..." More articles
and testimonies on COB, go HERE.
Cob tax
petition ruled as invalid, H&N posted to KBC 8/15/04.
Don't
take a chance, H&N 8/9/04.
Ex-commissioner moves to block Cob, H&N 8/9/04. "A
representative for Cob has asked the county to grant the power plant $71
million in property tax breaks over 15 years, in exchange for a payment
of $1 million a year in lieu of taxes." Go to
the COB page for more input from our
community on the proposed siting. (Why do you, the energy
companies and licensing board, ask our opinions, then disregard our
wishes and concerns? We have spoken, but you do not hear. Where is the
justice? KBC)
Wrong place for powerplant,
H&N 8/4/04. "Very few people in the region want a power plant in
Langell Valley, especially the people in Langell Valley, Bonanza, Poe
Valley, and, from what I have heard, most of the people in Klamath Falls
do not like the idea of it either."
Want some manure? H&N
8/4/04. "When
I moved to an "exclusive farm-zoned area," the last thought on my mind
was the need to protect myself from people like you who think you can
push your unwanted pollution-producing industrial plants into farming
communities because we do not have the population to stop you."
Recent articles regarding
the proposed COB energy plant,
posted to KBC 8/1/04:
Take
it or leave it, H&N
Bargain hard, then build the Cob plant,
opinion by Tim Fought, H&N editor
Why give
up tax revenue, H&N
Taken for a ride? H&N
It's
about water, Letter to Editor, H&N,
7/27/04
Langell Valley
wrong place to put proposed power plant, H&N 7/26/04.
Cob seeks 15-year tax-free deal, H&N
7/23/04.
COB gets grid
approval H&N 7/12/04.
House panel hears Cob foes,
H&N 5/17/04.
COB was blessed,
H&N 5/5/04, "DEQ
staff members tried to circle around the question by saying proposed
emissions met the air quality standards, but, eventually, they finally
did admit that these air emissions could affect children with asthma and
older adults with possible breathing problems later on in life."
Give it to Klamath
Falls, H&N letter 4/5/04, regarding the COB
proposed power plant in Bonanza.
Cob Energy Facility deadline nears
H&N:
"People
who have been active in fighting the Cob Energy Facility have until
Friday to apply for official status in a state hearing on the power
plant." For more COB articles, go
HERE.
Energy plant dangerous H&N 4/1/04.
Short-sighted on jobs, H&N 3/29/04, regarding the tax-exempt COB
plant being located in Bonanza against the residents' wills.
|
Government decides on basis of
dollar signs, not what's best,
by
Lynn Brock, H&N letter 3/22/04 "
"With spring just around
the corner, Klamath basin farmers should be planning what to plant.
With water rights on more than 30 wells uncertain and the Oregon
Water Resources De-partment three years behind in making decisions
on the certificates, most of those wells no longer have a
permit....Yet the state's Department of Energy is recommending a
permit for an out-of-state industry to get its permit." |
Lynn Brock |
Tell company what it can do with
new power plant,
H&N 3/14/04 "The Peoples Energy of Chicago tells us this huge plant -
25 acres of roof area and 40-plus acres of polluted wastewater ponds,
33,000 gallons of ammonia, tanks full of diesel fuel, other oils and
chemicals, is safe. It also tells us that in 1999, Hawthorne unit No. 5
in Kansas City, Mo., blew up."
Build it at Red Bluff,
H&N 3/14/04. Regarding the COB energy plant: "Officials
elected to office are supposed to represent the people that voted them
in."
Fight generating plant, 2/19/04 H&N
No decision on Cob plant, H&N
2/17/04.
They aren't listening,
H&N posted to KBC 2/17/04. Regarding the COB plant in Bonanza,"There
appears to be overwhelming opposition - a landslide you might say - by
the people"
"When
pressed repeatedly, however, he finally made it known that they didn't
have to listen to the public and probably would not. So much for
government for the people and by the people."
COB neighbors
opposed, 1/29/04 Article by Lyn Brock.
KBC (jdk) COB
comments: Parts that we have concern with are; this is one of the
largest power plants in the world on one of the
largest faults,
about 99% of the neighbors oppose it, COB is a multimillion
dollar, tax-exempt company, the roads and services like
the fire department are not equipped to handle this magnitude of traffic
or disaster, in the EPS report it states that forage animals may not eat
the crops grown on the waste-water run-off fields, the
aquifers are probably
connected, and many local farmers have waited for years and are
still waiting to be given permanent well pumping rights, yet COB has
been given priority to the local peasants. See
COB page for past articles and reports.
Story sound familiar? H&N 1/26/04
Views differ
on power plant, 1/23/04 H&N.
Capital
Press, Energy plant shouldn't go
up on farm-zoned land, 1/23/04,
COB HEARING NOTICE FOR 1/22/04
Last chance hearing for COB plant,
by Gail Hildreth H&N, posted to KBC 1/16/04.
COB plant gets
permit, 1/11/04
People's energy hopes to put the COB plant near Bonanza
at the dismay of many local residents. The following article magnifies
their horror at the proposition:
"CUB
Seeks $110 Million Refund For Peoples Gas Customers, Says Company
Overcharged Consumers During Record Price Spike." posted to KBC
1/9/04
COB energy Facility Draft
Proposed Order, from the Oregon Dept. of Energy posted to KBC
1/9/03 Also is a note by
Lyn Brock, Bonanza regarding the Order.
A new source of pollution,
H&N 1/16/04
Thursday, January 22, 2004
Klamath County residents will have their only opportunity to
participate in the final Oregon Department of Energy hearing regarding
the construction of the California Oregon Border
(COB) 1160 Megawatt gas fired electrical generating facility to
be located east of Klamath Falls.
Go HERE
COB plant gets permit, 1/11/04 H&N.
People's energy hopes to put the COB plant
near Bonanza at the dismay of many local residents. The
following article magnifies their horror at the proposition:
"CUB Seeks $110
Million Refund For Peoples Gas Customers, Says Company
Overcharged Consumers During Record Price Spike." posted to
KBC 1/9/04
COB energy Facility Draft
Proposed Order, from the Oregon Dept. of Energy posted to
KBC 1/9/03 Also is a
note by Lyn Brock,
Bonanza regarding the Order.
State says Cob plant should be
approved, H&N 12/31/03
Initial state review of Cob
plant delayed, H&N,12/24/03
Proposed power
plant unwanted, 12/27/03, Oregonian.
Langell Valley
wrong place for plant, and it's not even needed, regarding
the proposed COB power plant, 12/22/03 H&N.
"We asked the
Oregon Department of Environmental Quality how it set the limits
for allowable amounts of hazardous pollutants and were told that
the limits are based on amounts which would not harm a normal,
healthy adult. Of course, he stated, this might cause health
concerns for young children, the elderly, and those who already
have health concerns, such as the local citizens who have asthma
or are on oxygen for other conditions."
See COB for more
info and articles.
In
the State of Hypocrisy, speech by Gail Hildreth 11/25/03 to the
Klamath Falls Planning Commission. "In a state that already has
the most stringent requirements for land use in the United States, I
have to ask myself, the planning commission, and all those in
attendance here, why the state of Oregon is in the process of
further restricting our individual private property rights.
...Meanwhile, the state of Oregon and Klamath County are allowing,
uncontested, the siting of the largest gas fired electrical
generating facility in the western United States, in a strictly
zoned Exclusive Farm Use agricultural area just east of Klamath
Falls."
Emissions Appalling,
H&N posted to KBC 11/25/03
Energy
plant threat to rights, H&N 11/13/03
No breads for COB plant,
H&N 10/30/03.
Contaminant
Discharge Permit for COB Energy Facility, LLC Written comments due: 5 p.m October
27, 2003
Second amendment filed for Cob
energy facility, 10/26/03 H&N
Less pollution is more than
Langell Valley wants, 10/22/03, H&N.
"Within these standards,
there are still people that could be affected," he said, adding that
elderly people, small children or people with lung problems could be
susceptible to higher pollution levels. "They're out there on the
edge of the bell curve."
Written
comments on the DEQ permit must be submitted by 5 p.m. Monday
to be considered by the department. A permit could be approved or
denied in as little as two months.
Proposed Standard Air Contaminant
Discharge Permit for COB Energy Facility, LLC,
10/21/03
Public hearing set on Cob Energy Facility, H&N 10/20/03
Proposed power plant near
Bonanza should create concerns about air quality, 10/03.
YOU GOT $, YOU GOT WATER! "This proposed
permit would allow the COB facility to move ahead of over 30 other water
permits waiting to be finalized by eastern Klamath County residents and
farms."
see story
Cob opponents bring in speaker, H&N 8/14/03
Herald and News correction
regarding article on proposed COB plant, which took statement by Doug
Whitsett out of context:
-Priority a concern The article referred to is
HERE.
It's lose, lose, H&N 8/5/03
COB plant proposal received, H&N July 29, 2003
Bonanza area not any place for large generating plant, H&N 7/14/03
Klamath County
Commissioner Steven West opposes COB plant in
farmland, 7/7/03
Cob plant faces hurdles before completion,
H&N July 3, 2003.
Residents testify against COB plant, H&N's
June 29, 2003 - "LORELLA - About 50 people
crowded into the Lorella Community Hall on
Friday afternoon to talk about the proposed Cob
energy facility, a 1,150-megawatt power plant
that might soon be constructed just down the
road from this small community nine miles
southeast of Bonanza."
Taking a look at power facitily site, H&N
June 29, 2003
Try other sites, Letter to the Editor of the
H&N's - June 26, 2003 - Written by Fabian Baker
of Bonanza - "If I had wanted to live in a
buffer zone next to, or in, an industrial area,
I would have purchased land in Klamath Falls.
But I didn't, and I don't want to."
Is plant justified, H&N June 19, 2003.
"This plant being
considered for the Bonanza area will use a huge
amount of our natural resource (water). How come
the environmentalists are not complaining
loudly?"
Ex-official, unions differ on COB plant, H&N
June 13, 2003. "Roger
Hamilton, a former Klamath County commissioner
and advisor to former Gov. John Kitzhaber on
energy and water issues, spoke out against the
proposed COB Energy Facility at a public hearing
Thursday night in Bonanza."
What you can do to help stop the COB,
June12, 2003.
MOVE THE COB! 6/11/03
COB plant gives up on water, H&N 6/11/03.
Stop the C.O.B., June 10, 2003.
COB
Energy Plant Use of Groundwater, by Doug
Whitsett, President, Water for Life, Inc., May
9, 2003.
Help stop the
COB Energy Plant in Langell Valley!
by Cindy
Deas, May 16, 2003
How will the proposed COB plant in Bonanzo get
around Oregon Law?, H&N Bill Brock, 5/25/03
Keep the water, H&N letter by Nancy Roeder,
Klamath Falls. "It is difficult
for me to comprehend that a public agency would
rob the farmers of necessary water to grow their
crops to site a breeder electrical facility.
This facility will be, of course, smack dab in
the middle of farm land."
Power Plant application completed, H&N
4/30/03.
Oppose generating facility, H&N Letter by
Lyn and Melyn Brock, Bonanza. 4/25/03.
Power Plant approved in spite of local
opposition, H&N 4/23/03
MONEY TALKS!
Bonanza irrigators can't pump the
irrigation wells they had to drill, yet a
Chicago power company may be pumping 7.7 million
gallons of water per day! What gives!? H&N
4/20/03
